Seth on Gods and the Christ Consciousness

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This piece, another excerpt from ‘Conversations with Seth’ was originally addressed to one of the many visitors that frequented Jane Robert’s ESP class back in the 1970’s, although the name referred to at the beginning of the piece can be replaced with any as it is applicable to a wide audience.
I  am posting this excerpt on the request of a friend. I myself remain ambivalent on the subject based on my own explorations over the years, but I thought it an interesting take on the whole Christ myth.


Now, Brian Kent. What’s in a name? But what Brian Kent is, is not altogether contained by a person called Brian Kent. The greater self that you are is within Brian Kent, but not contained in Brian Kent. Moreover, Christ could not be contained in one historical person either.  And without casting any great aspersions against Brian Kent, Christ did have a great historical import!

The person that Napoleon is thought to be had great historical import. The greater Napoleon, having many other abilities, could not be expressed through that one person. No one person can contain [all of his] psychological reality.

The great truths of Christianity do not involve murder and sacrifice. The great truths of reality do not include the fact that God sacrificed His only son, either. The Christ story was much more than that.

You can, most comfortably, look at other people’s gods and the gods of the past, as you know the past, and smile. You can look at the animal gods; the gods of Olympus; buried and forgotten and forsaken gods whose names exist only in the footnotes in history books. And you can smile.

You can look at other people’s religions and other people’s folktales. But you cannot look at your own god, or gods, in the same manner. For it seems that the folktales involving Christianity are not folktales, but truths, and surely Christ is more real than Zeus! Zeus is a legend! There was no voice that roared like thunder! There was no Mount Olympus! There were no gods who danced with human maidens of the hillsides! Superstitious nonsense!

Your own stories, however, are “truth”. There was a God, invisible, a God the Father, who sent down His only son to be crucified, born of a virgin; a miracle worker who changed history. For is not your civilisation a result of that God’s work?

Many civilisations believed that they were born with the birth of gods. This does not mean that beneath those myths there not truths. This does not mean that there is no meaning to the progression of the gods; there is. They are not apart from your consciousness, but born from it, and yet independent. In one way, the civilisation took a great road toward progress when your fine Egyptian [Akhenaten] said: “There are not many gods, but only One.” And in another way, [civilisation] took a step backward, for your Christian concept of God disinherited the animals, disinherited the women, disinherited nature. You did not have a united concept in which the frog had a god, or the toad or the snake or the baby or the cat. You had no room for such nonsense.

Now, the old gods, in their way, combined the best and the worst of human qualities, but man could relate to those gods. There were indeed homosexual gods. There were animal gods. There was a great mixture between existences that combined divinity and humanity in every species. And in those terms, each species was divine. Now you have lost that. Christianity could have represented a great progress in a different way, but those aspects were not stressed. Those aspects fell by the wayside, so to speak.

There is a reality behind the idea of Christ as you know it. But that Christ is not, and never was, any more real than Zeus. And Zeus was, and is, real. And so is Christ.

… You do not really understand what I mean when I say that the inner world is the source for he objective one. The churches have believed that if they could prove that the historical Christ was crucified and the raised from the dead, that the religion itself would become more valid. It would satisfy your love of details! If, however, Christ were one historical person, in the way that you have been taught, his reality would not have been nearly as vast. You do not understand as yet that your creativity and energy and being and reality come from an inner source. When I say, therefore, that the gods, or the divine sources of being, move through your world but do not come from it, I am saying that they are indeed the source of your own reality from which you spring; and therefore, in those terms, they are more fully [dimensional].

In certain terms, Christ was a myth who did not exist in the terms that you believe. Indeed there was a man called Christ. There were thousands of men called Christ! There were miracle workers all over the place! There were politics involved – and the Romans and the Jews, and the Essenes and a thousand different Jewish groups. That part of the world was seething emotionally. They were searching, and from their desire and from the state of their consciousness, then, emerged the story.

There is a Christ consciousness. That consciousness existed before the story. But it has little to do with the tale. And it did not involve a crucifixion. The Jews wanted a man crucified. Certain members of Jewish political groups wanted to see the idea of a Messiah ended, for all intents and purposes, in those times. Other groups wanted a Messiah to rise from the dead. They wanted a crucifixion and they wanted a martyr – a Jewish martyr.

The great drama that formed the Christian civilisation was indeed like the great drama behind the Greek civilisation. It was an emotional and spiritual drama that men acted out. It did come from another source, and you may call that source divine, for there is a Super-Nature, as there is a nature. But that Super-Nature works through nature, and forms it.

…There is a Christ consciousness, in those terms, that existed first, but the name is meaningless. And when you attach the name to the pseudo-historical fact, then you end up with legends.

Now, legends are all right, and for a while they serve a purpose. But people grow out of their legends, and if they believe that their legends are Truth, there are psychic growing pains indeed! If they realise that their legends are symbols, then they can move more readily.


(Conversations With Seth: Book 2, Susan M Watkins, Moment Point Press, 2006, p.230-32)


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